Ep. 27: Michelle Cassandra Johnson

In this episode of Curious Hearts, I sit down with Michelle Cassandra Johnson for a conversation that unfolds the way real spiritual life does. Slowly, with depth, and full of questions that do not need quick answers. We talk about where faith begins, how it changes over time, and what it means to stay in relationship with mystery while living inside very real human systems.

Michelle reflects on growing up in the Black Baptist church in the South, where devotion, collective care, and affirmation shaped her early spiritual life alongside curiosity and contradiction. We explore how those roots inform her work today, especially her commitment to justice, lineage, and discernment.

From there, we move through yoga as an ancient technology, interspiritual practice, and the discipline of witnessing our own experience. We talk about order without rigidity, about practices that help us tell the difference between human-made chaos and the kind of change that belongs to the natural world.

ichelle also shares what is sustaining her right now. Working with Mary Magdalene as spiritual refuge. Learning from bees about collective care, unity, and doing one’s work without attachment to outcome. Staying present with grief and transition while continuing to tend the hive.

This conversation is an invitation to listen more closely, to slow down, and to remember that we are not doing this alone.